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	<description>one pinoy pundit points and shoots</description>
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		<title>By: ninotchka rosca</title>
		<link>http://raincontreras.com/2007/05/08/what-irks-me-about-hobby-digital-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40221</link>
		<dc:creator>ninotchka rosca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey rain and chayenne:  

i still hang out with nurses, domestics, teachers, etc., mostly because the stories are there.  

cheers,
n</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey rain and chayenne:  </p>
<p>i still hang out with nurses, domestics, teachers, etc., mostly because the stories are there.  </p>
<p>cheers,<br />
n</p>
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		<title>By: rain</title>
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		<dc:creator>rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 18:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Diane. Hmm, can you be more specific on what sort or setup you're trying to achieve?

I have used adapted lenses on my digital rebel. Mahirap, pero possible, adn when and if you get it right, hayup ang results. Jay Javier, a pro photographer friend, has got a lot more successful -and AF too!- with the newer Pentax K10D when it comes to the adapted setup, using M42 mount lenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Diane. Hmm, can you be more specific on what sort or setup you&#8217;re trying to achieve?</p>
<p>I have used adapted lenses on my digital rebel. Mahirap, pero possible, adn when and if you get it right, hayup ang results. Jay Javier, a pro photographer friend, has got a lot more successful -and AF too!- with the newer Pentax K10D when it comes to the adapted setup, using M42 mount lenses.</p>
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		<title>By: diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 16:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: youâ€™re not limited to your camera mount, there are things called adapters:

haha! hobby photographer myself. cashless. shoots on film and manual, thus a Hidalgo devotee. no impressive work to say the least. but i did my homework first. gave up my passion of taking art as a career in place of clan hopes of having a family doctor [sounds oh-so-familiar?], then came back to my first love.

considering conversion lenses as alternatives =D i've asked around say they have "lesser image quality." have you personally tried those [wide angle/fish-eye/tele-/macro] conversion lenses?

much thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: youâ€™re not limited to your camera mount, there are things called adapters:</p>
<p>haha! hobby photographer myself. cashless. shoots on film and manual, thus a Hidalgo devotee. no impressive work to say the least. but i did my homework first. gave up my passion of taking art as a career in place of clan hopes of having a family doctor [sounds oh-so-familiar?], then came back to my first love.</p>
<p>considering conversion lenses as alternatives =D i&#8217;ve asked around say they have &#8220;lesser image quality.&#8221; have you personally tried those [wide angle/fish-eye/tele-/macro] conversion lenses?</p>
<p>much thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: rain</title>
		<link>http://raincontreras.com/2007/05/08/what-irks-me-about-hobby-digital-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-39530</link>
		<dc:creator>rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 22:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kasi akala nila pag bumili na sila ng pro-cam, pro-photographer na sila e. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kaya nga kahit kasama ako sa mga online forums na ang mga topic na lang parati ay nikon vs. canon, show us your gear, etc. etc. nandun lang ako kasi baka maka-ututang dila ako na kindred spirit na iba (sa karamihan) ang takbo ng isip pagdating sa photography. Mas gusto kong makisama sa mga taong ganun, kaysa yung mga alam-mo-na.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Referring to your older post: THAT's why I love my Visions of Light: The Art of Cinematography DVD. Magpa-mention ka ng influences dyan sa mga pro-porma photographers, malamang-lamang, magkakamot ka lang ng ulo e.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kasi akala nila pag bumili na sila ng pro-cam, pro-photographer na sila e. </p>
<p>Kaya nga kahit kasama ako sa mga online forums na ang mga topic na lang parati ay nikon vs. canon, show us your gear, etc. etc. nandun lang ako kasi baka maka-ututang dila ako na kindred spirit na iba (sa karamihan) ang takbo ng isip pagdating sa photography. Mas gusto kong makisama sa mga taong ganun, kaysa yung mga alam-mo-na.</p>
<p>Referring to your older post: THAT&#8217;s why I love my Visions of Light: The Art of Cinematography DVD. Magpa-mention ka ng influences dyan sa mga pro-porma photographers, malamang-lamang, magkakamot ka lang ng ulo e.</p>
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		<title>By: jm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 17:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Pero kung naka-5D sya tapos naka latest tele L lens na puti ang nagtanong ng ganun, mapapailing ka na lang talaga e. Mag Powershot na lang sya, matuto muna sya dun."

The "Pro-Porma" photographers?hahaha..


one more thing...give them a pro-model to shoot,sila ang pagpapawisan..lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pero kung naka-5D sya tapos naka latest tele L lens na puti ang nagtanong ng ganun, mapapailing ka na lang talaga e. Mag Powershot na lang sya, matuto muna sya dun.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;Pro-Porma&#8221; photographers?hahaha..</p>
<p>one more thing&#8230;give them a pro-model to shoot,sila ang pagpapawisan..lol</p>
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		<title>By: rain</title>
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		<dc:creator>rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 05:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dan, nice to see you here. I know where' you're coming from as a film fan, but I have some stuff to add:

&lt;blockquote&gt;"6. They know more about softwares than cameras, camera operations, and exposure theories."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Meron naman ako mangilan-ngilan na kilala, na they won't touch photoshop daw kasi gusto nilang matuto (tapos ako naman, after hearing that retort, ok lang image editing, it helps, tsaka ako, realizing this influx of DSLR users, I'm more inclined to give my photos some other flavor than  what just comes out of the camera, lalo na pag gigs/events). Pero yes, I agree with you on this, pero its not a big irk for me :)

&lt;blockquote&gt;"7. They wonâ€™t be able to load a 35mm film using slrs when you asked them to. And they refer to themselves photographers."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ang sa akin, if you've decided early on to go digital all the way as a hobbyist, do not EVER look down at those who have a preference for film photography. Craft ang photography, disiplina, at para sa akin lang, mas personal ang dating pag less intervention ng technology, except for that light-tight box in your hands called a camera, and the developing and printing process. Wag lang magmamaliit, dahil film photography is a tougher discipline vs. just setting your DSLR to Auto or P mode, tapos shoot away.

Sa pag-proclaim naman ng isang tao ng photographer sya: if this was his/her means to get food on the table, o sya, pagbigyan. Pero if nainggit ka lang dun sa mama na nakita mo sa beach na may dalang DSLR, at biglang napa-text ka kay mommy para ibili ka naman ng malaking camera na may mahabang lens pagbalik mo sa Manila... you get my drift here :) Kaya ako, kelangan parati na may 'hobbyist' or 'amateur' bago ilagay ang photographer kung gusto ko ipagsabi ang passion ko sa paglilitrato. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;"8. They donâ€™t know what is 35mm. And 120."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Part na to ng walang interes sa history ng photography. Medyo ok lang na walang masyadong alam, pero kung may interes naman, at willing malaman yung history nga, plus na rin yun. Pero kung walang ka-interes interes... para kang kuto na masarap tirisin at sunugin ng posporo.

&lt;blockquote&gt;"9. Theyâ€™re more comfortable using histograms for studio light exposures vs. flash/light meters. (well, okay lang naman especially if you donâ€™t have one. Pero Iâ€™ve noticed a lot of photographers these day donâ€™t use external light meters anymore.)"&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Diskarte na rin yan ng naglilitrato. Kung nakukuha naman ang results with either method, ok lang yun.

Wala kang #10 :p

&lt;blockquote&gt;"11. They are the perfect sellers for â€˜usedâ€™ digital camera bodies and lenses.
(because they hardly use it.)"&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Haha. Yun nga e. Bili ng bili ng gamit, akala mo kung sino. Porke't sinabi ni ganito, ganyan, na haneps to da max ang bagong gamit na to, bili na agad. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;"12. VR or IS is important to their shooting style."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Isipin mo lang ang sitwasyon ng classic photographers: e ano bang technology ang meron sila nun? Uhm, cell-powered, handheld, analog light meter? 

Pero sure, kung isa kang ambisyosong sports photographer wannabe, pagbigyan.

&lt;blockquote&gt;"13. They copy/ask your exposure settings during events. Haha!"&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ok lang sa mga nag-aaral pa lang, nag-uumpisa. Pero kung naka-5D sya tapos naka latest tele L lens na puti ang nagtanong ng ganun, mapapailing ka na lang talaga e. Mag Powershot na lang sya, matuto muna sya dun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dan, nice to see you here. I know where&#8217; you&#8217;re coming from as a film fan, but I have some stuff to add:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;6. They know more about softwares than cameras, camera operations, and exposure theories.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Meron naman ako mangilan-ngilan na kilala, na they won&#8217;t touch photoshop daw kasi gusto nilang matuto (tapos ako naman, after hearing that retort, ok lang image editing, it helps, tsaka ako, realizing this influx of DSLR users, I&#8217;m more inclined to give my photos some other flavor than  what just comes out of the camera, lalo na pag gigs/events). Pero yes, I agree with you on this, pero its not a big irk for me :)</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;7. They wonâ€™t be able to load a 35mm film using slrs when you asked them to. And they refer to themselves photographers.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Ang sa akin, if you&#8217;ve decided early on to go digital all the way as a hobbyist, do not EVER look down at those who have a preference for film photography. Craft ang photography, disiplina, at para sa akin lang, mas personal ang dating pag less intervention ng technology, except for that light-tight box in your hands called a camera, and the developing and printing process. Wag lang magmamaliit, dahil film photography is a tougher discipline vs. just setting your DSLR to Auto or P mode, tapos shoot away.</p>
<p>Sa pag-proclaim naman ng isang tao ng photographer sya: if this was his/her means to get food on the table, o sya, pagbigyan. Pero if nainggit ka lang dun sa mama na nakita mo sa beach na may dalang DSLR, at biglang napa-text ka kay mommy para ibili ka naman ng malaking camera na may mahabang lens pagbalik mo sa Manila&#8230; you get my drift here :) Kaya ako, kelangan parati na may &#8216;hobbyist&#8217; or &#8216;amateur&#8217; bago ilagay ang photographer kung gusto ko ipagsabi ang passion ko sa paglilitrato. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;8. They donâ€™t know what is 35mm. And 120.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Part na to ng walang interes sa history ng photography. Medyo ok lang na walang masyadong alam, pero kung may interes naman, at willing malaman yung history nga, plus na rin yun. Pero kung walang ka-interes interes&#8230; para kang kuto na masarap tirisin at sunugin ng posporo.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;9. Theyâ€™re more comfortable using histograms for studio light exposures vs. flash/light meters. (well, okay lang naman especially if you donâ€™t have one. Pero Iâ€™ve noticed a lot of photographers these day donâ€™t use external light meters anymore.)&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Diskarte na rin yan ng naglilitrato. Kung nakukuha naman ang results with either method, ok lang yun.</p>
<p>Wala kang #10 :p</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;11. They are the perfect sellers for â€˜usedâ€™ digital camera bodies and lenses.<br />
(because they hardly use it.)&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Haha. Yun nga e. Bili ng bili ng gamit, akala mo kung sino. Porke&#8217;t sinabi ni ganito, ganyan, na haneps to da max ang bagong gamit na to, bili na agad. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;12. VR or IS is important to their shooting style.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Isipin mo lang ang sitwasyon ng classic photographers: e ano bang technology ang meron sila nun? Uhm, cell-powered, handheld, analog light meter? </p>
<p>Pero sure, kung isa kang ambisyosong sports photographer wannabe, pagbigyan.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;13. They copy/ask your exposure settings during events. Haha!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok lang sa mga nag-aaral pa lang, nag-uumpisa. Pero kung naka-5D sya tapos naka latest tele L lens na puti ang nagtanong ng ganun, mapapailing ka na lang talaga e. Mag Powershot na lang sya, matuto muna sya dun.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 13:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6. They know more about softwares than cameras, camera operations, and exposure theories.

7. They won't be able to load a 35mm film using slrs when you asked them to. And they refer to themselves photographers. 

8. They don't know what is 35mm. And 120. 

9. They're more comfortable using histograms for studio light exposures vs. flash/light meters. (well, okay lang naman especially if you don't have one. Pero I've noticed a lot of photographers these day don't use external light meters anymore.)

11. They are the perfect sellers for 'used' digital camera bodies and lenses. 
(because they hardly use it.)

12. VR or IS is important to their shooting style.

13. They copy/ask your exposure settings during events. Haha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6. They know more about softwares than cameras, camera operations, and exposure theories.</p>
<p>7. They won&#8217;t be able to load a 35mm film using slrs when you asked them to. And they refer to themselves photographers. </p>
<p>8. They don&#8217;t know what is 35mm. And 120. </p>
<p>9. They&#8217;re more comfortable using histograms for studio light exposures vs. flash/light meters. (well, okay lang naman especially if you don&#8217;t have one. Pero I&#8217;ve noticed a lot of photographers these day don&#8217;t use external light meters anymore.)</p>
<p>11. They are the perfect sellers for &#8216;used&#8217; digital camera bodies and lenses.<br />
(because they hardly use it.)</p>
<p>12. VR or IS is important to their shooting style.</p>
<p>13. They copy/ask your exposure settings during events. Haha!</p>
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		<title>By: rain</title>
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		<dc:creator>rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 21:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. Di pa ako napupunta sa mga dibidihan dun e, so dehin ko rin alam kung meron nga.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. Di pa ako napupunta sa mga dibidihan dun e, so dehin ko rin alam kung meron nga.</p>
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		<title>By: estan</title>
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		<dc:creator>estan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 15:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rain, the ever reliable makati cinema square :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rain, the ever reliable makati cinema square :p</p>
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		<title>By: rain</title>
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		<dc:creator>rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 10:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yung isang alam kong pwedeng bilhan ng battery grip, tiga Flickrs Photo Club, admin dun, si Pat. Pero I see no reason na wala din nito sa Hidalgo :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yung isang alam kong pwedeng bilhan ng battery grip, tiga Flickrs Photo Club, admin dun, si Pat. Pero I see no reason na wala din nito sa Hidalgo :)</p>
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